Reasons I can't trust Mustang owners

"Bourbon&JellyBeans" (bourbonandjellybeans) 08/17/2016 at 10:56 • Filed to: None

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Here are a couple reviews of a suspension kit that I’ve had my eye on for a little while. Clearly, these were written by Mustang owners for Mustang owners.

My stang is only for show, every body look under the car and ,no belive what they see, amazing handling , and go straight I’m the line , also have the tokico Depeche and eibach spring. MY STANG IS THE ... BEST NOW .

What the fuck did you just say? At least his Mustang is the ... best.

best handaling in the world droped 1.5 seconds at the track best of the best

I’m not confedint in your review if you can’t even spell elementry leval words like “handling” or “dropped.” Also, punctuation motherfucker, do you use it?

Hopefully their taste in mods is better than their grammar.

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:00

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Elementary (I’m sorry).

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:01

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I can’t tell if your misspellings of ‘confident’ and ‘level’ are intentional or utterly ironic.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:02

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...and you spelled “confident” wrong as well, which has just made my head explode.

Needmoargarage > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:04

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I’m not confedint in your review if you can’t even spell elementry leval words like “handling” or “dropped.”

Haha...love it. If you want some input on Mustang suspension changes, I’ve been through quite a few that have seen regular track use.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:04

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There’s also the part where he said, “also, punctuation motherfucker,”, which should be punctuated as, “also, punctuation, motherfucker - “ or similar.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2016 at 11:04

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I thought I had edited that. This whole thread has gone to pot.

Edit: I did edit it! It’s just not showing up

diplodicus > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:05

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You mean confident not confidant lol

Bourbon&JellyBeans > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:05

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The world just couldn’t handle that level of irony.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:06

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4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > diplodicus 08/17/2016 at 11:06

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I blame fat thumbs and auto-correct!

Bourbon&JellyBeans > Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever 08/17/2016 at 11:07

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Don’t be.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:09

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chek out my sick Mustang, bro! It handals* so much beter then stock to! Took 2 secends* of my trck time, bro! ITS the best in tha wrold*!

1*) Definition of “handaling”: how often the car hits the bump stops on a normal road at 35MPH, and/or how much it makes the bimbo in the passenger’s seat fake boobs jiggle

2*) It was a different, shorter track layout and on the previous run it had been raining.

3*) Actually, it’s awful to drive and arguably looks worse than stock, not to mention the ridiculous tire wear from out of spec alignment that isn’t “track focused”, just wrong.

MonkeePuzzle > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:09

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I have the same issue when reading reviews for Civic components, largly because the owners of civics span such a vast array of demographics. from complete poseurs, ricers, street raving wannabes; to complete full on racers. So something, like the suspension you mention, would get amazing 5 star reviews to 0 stars, and all are relevant.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:11

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They don’t even know how to round numbers. What makes you think they’d even know how to spell words like handling, let alone assess it?

Bourbon&JellyBeans > Needmoargarage 08/17/2016 at 11:13

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Yes! I don’t want to track my car, but I’d really like to get rid of the AWFUL amount of wheel gap that Ford generously bestowed upon their S197s. But I don’t just want to slap some lowering springs on it and call it a day. If I’m gonna do it then I’ll do it right. I’m looking at an Eibach kit that includes Sportline lowering springs, shocks and struts, a 3-way adjustable front sway bar and a solid rear sway bar. I am thinking a panhard bar would also be needed to center the rear axle but I’m not sure. Is that overkill or “underkill” or is it a good idea?

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2016 at 11:15

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BY THE WAY, the Series is getting parabolics all-round, so I may be making your mistakes for you. I’m actually willing them to settle, because by my expert calculations when tied to the double height hangers it’s going to ride quite high. Like silly high. And on skinny wheels with a narrow track width and rolly-poley springs I have a feeling I’m gonna French fry when I should have pizza’d.

Bourbon&JellyBeans > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 08/17/2016 at 11:15

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Perfect reason that we should still use cubic inches to measure engine displacement.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 08/17/2016 at 11:20

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Double height hangers? Madness. That’s not a recipe for abuse of the universal joints? Do they use an angle correction wedge under the axle? Should be spectacular, regardless. I’ve got some very tall Chinese nylon bias plies on mine, and with lower air pressure and the several inches in height + having a full roof, the roll difference between it and my cousin’s on radials is frankly absurd.

Did you see my post on the 1:8 scale Series?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:22

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Yep. Doesn’t sound like you want a case Camero engine in your Mustang if you say 302.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:24

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That’s the best part. Now - stick some meaty tires on and go rally cross it

Future next gen S2000 owner > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:26

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Former Mustang owner here. I say this with all the love and affections I can muster for the car.

99.9999% of reviews on Mustang parts are garbage. No, your strut tower brace didn’t make your car handle like it was on rails. Your cold air didn’t actually make your car faster like you think it did.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2016 at 11:27

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Standard on the military chassis. Munroe and O.M.E. make shocks suitable for that setup so it’s obviously been done before. UJ is unaffected (apparently), and I’ve taken advice from the LR bods in the shop. I suppose only seeing it together will show any failings.

Yes I did. I could buy 2 2a’s for that money. It’s lovely, but completely absurd.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:29

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S197s had a panhard bar from the factory. You may need to replace it with an adjustable one, but yes, you absolutely need one to ensure the rear end suspension works correctly.

Needmoargarage > Bourbon&JellyBeans 08/17/2016 at 11:56

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You are right in wanting to avoid lowering springs...they generally ruin any good ride and handling characteristics. Harsher spring rates, sway bars, etc. alone generally make cars both handle and ride worse...especially Mustangs. You can’t really go overkill when improving suspension...unless you are budget limited.

I would start by choosing your wheel and tire package. Knowing the height and width of your front and rear wheels will help you make better decisions when looking at parts. Then you can consider springs...a lowering spring generally shortens the spring, and then increases the spring rate to compensate, resulting in changes in suspension geometry. You want to keep your control arm geometry similar to the factory to avoid problems with bumpsteer, etc. Choose shocks/struts to match the new spring, and only then you can start messing with swaybars to correct under/oversteer. And then there is the whole ‘coilover’ option which is easiest for adjustable changes to ride height and/or stance yo.

While the SN197 panhard bar is a major improvement from previous Mustangs, it is still lacking adjust-ability and stiffness. An aftermarket one will be useful in helping you re-locate the rear axle after making other suspension changes. If your ride height goes lower, you will want the longest adjustable bar possible set as level to the ground as you can get it.

The Eibach kit sounds like an economical way to lower your car w/o taking some of the shortcuts, but will make your ride harsh and probably won’t improve handling (though it may feel like it to the uninitiated.)

TL; DR: Go for the kit (or similar) if you want a quick easy way to lower the car that’s more desirable than simply slapping on springs. Research and pursue other options if you want your car to handle and ride better while having the added bonus of lowering the ride height some.

Needmoargarage > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/17/2016 at 11:58

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Reminds me of my 16 year old self...back when I absolutely believed I felt a difference when installing simple parts.

Bourbon&JellyBeans > Needmoargarage 08/17/2016 at 12:32

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Wow, thanks for the thought out response! I am budget-limited right now, to be perfectly honest. That’s why this particular kit struck my eye, its less than a grand and all the parts are pretty much guaranteed to play nicely with each other. I don’t need it to handle too much better since it’s just my daily and I’ve never felt the handling to be lacking. I put four General Gmax AS-03 tires on the stock 18" wheels a few months ago and love them, so I’ll probably stick with them. I’ll probably go with the kit if I can’t find a good deal on coilovers. I definitely will grab a panhard as well.

The drop would be 1.3" in the front and 2.0" in the rear, by the way.

Bourbon&JellyBeans > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2016 at 12:34

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My god, I’ve just realized...that...no, it couldn’t be...ugh...I AM A MUSTANG OWNER. *seppuku*